[This year, 2006, February 11th (or 12th, depending on what part of
the world you reside in) is the anniversary of the appearance day of
Srila Narottama dasa Thakura. Some time ago we had found a cassette
recording of a class on his glories, given by Srila Narayana Maharaja
in 1996, which also contained a darsana on the same subject given in
1992. In order to avoid repetition, Srila Maharaja has authorized us
to combine the two and present a complete picture to you herein:]
Today is the disappearance day of Srila Narottama Thakura dasa, so
it is a very sacred day. He took
birth in West Bengal as the son of a very great king, and he was a
beautiful prince. The king was one of
two brothers, but there was only one son in the family. From the
beginning of his life he was very pure
and devoted, and he remained a life-long brahmacari, never
marrying. At the age of sixteen he left home
and went to Vrndavana with Sri Syamananda Prabhu and Srinivasa
Acarya. He had desired the darsana of Sri
Caitanya Mahaprabhu who was in Jagannatha Puri at that time, but
when he was on his way to Puri he heard
that Sriman Mahaprabhu and His associates, like Sri Svarupa
Damodara, Sri Raya Ramananda and Sri
Gadadhara Pandita, had all disappeared. This broke his heart, and
he therefore changed the destination
of his journey and went to Vrndavana. On the way, however, he
heard that Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila
Sanatana Gosvami had also disappeared.
Present in Vrndavana at the time was Srila Raghunatha dasa
Gosvami, residing at Radha-kunda. Srila
Raghunatha dasa Gosvami had been in Jagannatha Puri when Sri
Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates
disappeared. At that time he had decided to go to Vrndavana to
jump from Govardhana or to jump in the
Yamuna, to give up his life. He first tried to die by jumping in
the Yamuna, but he saw that there was
very little water there because she had been feeling separation
from Krsna. Then he thought, "I should
go to Govardhana; I will jump from the top of Govardhana and thus
give up this life".
Srila Rupa and Sanatana Gosvamis were still there at that time,
and they consoled him by saying, "If by
giving up this life one can have the darsana and service of Sri
Sri Radha and Krsna, we would be the
first persons to give up our lives. But we know that Sri Krsna is
not achieved by this. You should not
try to do so; you should do bhajana." He then went to Govardhana
to perform his bhajana. His mode of
worship was so severe that no one can follow him. It was very,
very hard. He ate practically nothing and
was always weeping, always chanting, always remembering, and
sometimes he was rolling on the bank of
Radha-kunda. Later, when he heard that Srila Rupa Gosvami had left
this world and entered aprakata-lila
(the unmanifest pastimes of Radha and Krsna), he felt unbearable
separation. He thought, "I dont want
to live at Radha-kund because it seems like the gaping mouth of a
tiger, and Giriraja Govardhana seems
like a very large python. Everything in Vraja seems to be void,
without life; under these circumstances
I cannot remain alive." He expressed his separation by these words
in his prayers, and this was the
general mood of separation after the disappearance of these great
personalities.
In the meantime, Srila Narottama Thakura, accompanied by Srila
Syamananda Prabhu and Srila Srinivasa
Acarya, came to Vrndavana, seeking the shelter and guidance of a
Vaisnava. The three of them went to the
lotus feet of Srila Jiva Gosvami, who was at that time residing at
the Sri Radha-Damodara temple. Srila
Jiva Gosvami was very happy to see them. He considered that Lord
Krsna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu had
arranged for these three young devotees be given classes on all
the teachings of Srila Rupa Gosvami, Sri
Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Srila Sanatana Gosvami, and the other great
acaryas. He was very pleased to have
students like them, and he began to teach them sastras like Sat-sandarbha,
Brhad-bhagavatamrta with the
explanations of Srila Sanatana Gosvami, Brhad-vaisnava-tosani,
Hari-bhakti-vilasa,
Bhakti-rasamrta-sindu, Ujjavala-nilamani, and many others. The
three of them thus very quickly became
masters of all the subject matters therein.
During this period, Srila Jiva Gosvami was accepted by the entire
Vaisnava community as the Vaisnava
king, the topmost Vaisnava, of three mandalas: Sri Navadvipa
Mandala, Sri Vraja Mandala, and Sri
Ksetra Mandala (Jagannatha Ksetra Mandala). He established the
Visva Vaisnava Raja Sabha. Visva means
world and Vaisnava-raja means pure devotees. He has established
Visva Vaisnava Raja Sabha for the
whole world, so that any person in any part of the world can come
to that spiritual institution, to
inquire from pure devotees and to read and study Vaisnava
philosophy. Srila Jiva Gosvami was the second
president of that society, Srila Rupa Gosvami having been the
first, and that society still exists today
under different nomenclatures.
Sat-Sandarbha is the scripture of Srila Jiva Gosvami. It is an
exceptional book regarding Vaisnava
philosophy and the culture and principles of Vaisnava etiquette
and procedures. The thoughts of Srila
Jiva Gosvami in Sat-Sandarbha appear in Sri Caitanya-caritamrta
and all other Gaudiya Vaisnava
literatures. Sat-Sandarbha came first, and after that Sri
Caitanya-caritamrta. All its essence has been
taken from Sat-Sandarbha.
At that time, only those given the consent and authority of Srila
Jiva Gosvami were considered learned
and qualified Vaisnavas. On this basis, one would be accepted as a
Vaisnava by the entire society of
Gaudiya Vaisnavas in the three places: Navadvipa, Jagannath Puri
and Vrndavana. Vaisnavas from every
part of India used to come to Srila Jiva Gosvami to study the
sastras under his guidance. Although Srila
Narottama dasa Thakura, Srila Srinivasa acarya and Sri Syamananda
Prabhu were not his initiated
disciples, Jiva Gosvami adopted them and became their siksa-guru,
giving them all siddhanta. He taught
them Srimad Bhagavatam, Sat-Sandarbha, all the books of Srila Rupa
Gosvami with an emphasis on Sri
Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu and Sri Ujjvala-nilamani, the books of
Srila Sanatana Gosvami like Srimad
Brhad-Bhagavatamrta, and all the other books of Gaudiya
Vaisnavism.
Although these three devotees had their own diksa gurus, they held
greater respect for Srila Jiva
Gosvami. If the siksa-guru is fully qualified, he should be
respected as much as Krsna, and if
diksa-guru is similarly qualified, he should be also treated like
that, as a manifestation of Lord
Krsna. If both are qualified, both should be given equal respect
and regarded as Krsnas manifestations.
Siksa-guru is not inferior to diksa-guru, and in some cases he is
superior to diksa-guru, according to
qualification. Srila Jiva Gosvami never made any formal disciple.
He never gave anustanika-diksa (fire
sacrifice); he gave only Krsna-siddhanta, and this is more
important than the fire sacrifice and other
rituals.
Srila Sanatana Gosvami never initiated any disciples and Srila
Rupa Gosvami only initiated one ø Srila
Jiva Gosvami ø but all the Vaisnavas of the world consider them to
be even greater than both diksa and
siksa-gurus. Do you treat Srila Sanatana Gosvami and Srila Rupa
Gosvami as Guru? You should; they are
siksa-gurus and are nearer to Krsna. Every day we say the prayer,
"Vande ham sri guru sri jutah
padakamala
sri rupam sagrajatam
" Therein the word "sagrajatam"
means elder brother. Sanatana Gosvami is
the elder brother of Rupa Gosvami. You must all utter this prayer
daily ø each morning. This is a very
good prayer by Srila Krsna dasa Kaviraja Gosvami, as all other
prayers are included within it. All Gurus
and Vaisnavas are included; the six Gosvamis are there, all the
associates of Sriman Mahaprabhu headed
by Lord Nityananda and Sri Advaita Acarya are there, all the
associate sakhis of Srimati Radhika are
there like Srimati Lalita and Visakha devis, and all the manjaris
headed by Sri Rupa Manjari are there.
It is a very good pranama ø everything is in one mantra.
Imparting everything he knew to those three Vaisnavas, Srila Jiva
Gosvami told them that although he had
accepted them as more than disciples, they would have to take
diksa from others. Syamananda Prabhu was
already initiated by Hrdaya Caitanya Gosvami of Kalna, but Srila
Narottama dasa Thakura and Srinivasa
Acarya were not yet initiated. Jiva Gosvami ordered Srinivasa
Acarya to be initiated by Srila Gopala
Batta Gosvami, and he instructed the three to treat all qualified
Vaisnavas as guru.
After his teaching to Srila Narottama Thakura was completed, he
directed him, You should go to Srila
Lokanatha dasa Gosvami and try to make him your diksa guru. The
Thakura said, "I have been given
everything by you and I have accepted you as my guru. I dont
believe there is anyone in all of Vraja
who is as qualified as you. You are akincana, niskincana (without
any material desires), and a
parama-tattva-rasika Vaisnava (one who has realized all
established truths and is tasting all devotional
mellows). I want to be initiated by you". He denied the request,
considering that he was not qualified
for this. He directed him to go to Srila Lokanatha Gosvami.He
replied, I am your Guru, but you should
go to him.
Srila Lokanatha Gosvami was an associate of Sri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu. He had come to Vrndavana with Srila
Bhugarbha Gosvami to do bhajana. He had requested Srila Krsnadasa
Kaviraja Gosvami not to write anything
about him in Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, and Srila Krsnadas Kaviraja
followed his instruction. He was an
akincana niskincana Vaisnava (having nothing but Sri Krsna as his
own). He had no paise and no home. He
had nothing to claim as his own. He made up his mind not to make
disciples, lest his mind be diverted
towards them. He considered, So many disciples will come and say,
I will perform service and I will
prepare everything for you. They will do biksa (collect
donations) and give money to Gurudeva and then
praise will come and I will be diverted from Krsna. He made up
his mind, I will not make any
disciples, but if anyone comes to me I will give them
krsna-katha.
Narottama dasa Thakura was so akincana that when so requested by
Srila Jiva Gosvami, he approached Srila
Lokanatha Gosvami, fell flat at his lotus feet and prayed, "Please
initiate me. I am not qualified, yet
I want your initiation."
Lokanatha dasa Gosvami asked, "Who are you?
He replied, "I am a Bengali."
Lokanath asked again, "Who are you?"
Narottama dasa replied, "I am the son of a king."
Lokanatha dasa asked, "Do you have any brother?"
Narottama dasa said, "No, I alone am the son of my father."
Lokanatha dasa Gosvami replied, "You are a prince, you are very
learned and very beautiful, you are now
a young boy, and you are the only son of your father. I will never
accept you as my disciple. Go to
someone else."
Again and again Narottama Thakura requested Srila Lokanatha dasa
to accept him, but Lokanatha dasa
refused every time. He would make statements like, "You have
grasped all siddhanta from Srila Jiva
Gosvami. I cannot initiate you. I have no disciples and I don't
want to create any disciples".
Narottama dasa then vowed, "I will only be initiated by Lokanatha
dasa Gosvami. I will not have any
other guru".
Lokanatha dasa Gosvami was living and doing bhajana in the forest
of Vrndavana. At night, with little
chance of being seen, Narottama dasa began to secretly come to the
place where Lokanatha Gosvami would
go to pass stool, and he began to clean that area with a coconut
stick broom. He discarded the stool
very far away from there and, spreading cow dung, made the place
quite pure. He also cleared the path to
that place. He used to hide nearby and hear the chanting of
Lokanatha dasa Gosvami. He listened to how
he chanted and what he chanted.
After some days Srila Lokanatha Gosvami began to wonder, "Who is
the thief who comes daily and cleans
my place of passing and the path to that place? Who is that
person? One day he decided to investigate.
He used to do bhajana throughout the night without sleeping, so
one night he hid in a kunja and watched
to see who had been coming and cleaning. In the dark of night that
very beautiful prince, Sri Narottama
Thakura came there. He was just about to clean the area when
Lokanatha Gosvami appeared and caught hold
of his hands asking, "Who are you?"
Narottama Thakura was fearful and began to weep bitterly.
"Who are you? Tell me," Lokanatha dasa asked.
The prince replied, "I am dukhi Narottama, unhappy Narottama. I am
a worthless and useless person. But I
am a recipient of the mercy of Srila Jiva Gosvami and I want to do
bhajana of Krsna, so please be
merciful to me."
"And why are you doing this?" asked Srila Lokanatha Gosvami.
"You have not accepted me as your disciple; I thought that somehow
I must please you. Being a prince, I
am doing this menial service for you so that you shall be pleased
with me and I might receive your
mercy".
Lokanatha Gosvami said, "Yes, I am pleased and satisfied by your
service. I had made up my mind not to
accept any disciples, but I see that you are a qualified person,
so I will accept you as my only
disciple."
He took Srila Narottama dasa to his bhajana kutir and told him to
bathe in the nearby Yamuna in the
early morning. Narottama dasa was then initiated by Srila
Lokanatha Gosvami in the krsna-mantra, that
is, the gopala-mantra, and in the kama-gayatri mantra ø 'klim
krsnaya' and 'klim kamadevaya'. He
continued to serve his guru, who arranged a separate bhajana
kutira for him nearby his own and gave him
many instructions. He told him, "Give up all worldly desires; do
not go anywhere for anything, and do
not associate with common people. Always chant harinama and always
think of the pastimes of Lord Krsna.
Be trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna, more humble than a
blade of grass and more tolerant than a
tree." He instructed him to always stay there at his bhajana kutir,
always chant harinama, and always
think of the pastimes of Krsna. Narottama dasa followed all those
instructions.
One very hot summer day, a thirsty farmer came to Srila Lokanatha
dasa Gosvami, requesting water. There
was a well nearby, and Lokanatha Gosvami had a rope and bucket,
but he was chanting harinama ø Hare
Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare ø absorbed in
remembering the pastimes of Krsna and sinking in
the ocean of rasa. He had no outward awareness and did not respond
to the farmer, who then went to the
young mahatmaji and asked, "Oh chota baba, little baba, I'm so
thirsty and I have no rope and bucket.
Please give me water".
The farmer twice made this request of the Thakura, who had been
doing bhajana but could not remain
seated there. He left his harinama mala and went to fetch water
from the well, and he gave that water to
the farmer, who drank it and went on his way. In the meantime
Srila Lokanatha Gosvami returned to
external consciousness, and he knew everything that had happened.
He called the young babaji, Srila
Narottama Thakura, and told him, "You should at once return to
your home. I don't want a disciple like
you. I will not permit you to do bhajana here with me. You have so
many desires. You are a very kind
man to all, so return to your kingdom, live in your palace and be
charitable to your people. You should
give them all water, bread and butter, clothes, and everything
else. You cannot do bhajana as yet.
Why?
Because you have no idea of Sri Krsna's name. Krsna's name is
Krsna Himself, and Hare Krsna means Sri
Sri Radha-Krsna. There is no difference between Radha-Krsna and
Their names. When a Vaisnava chants the
names of Radha and Krsna and Hare Krsna, he understands he is
serving Krsna directly, in the kunjas of
Vraja. You think that the service of Radha and Krsna in the kunjas
is less important than quenching the
thirst of a common person who doesn't do bhajana. So you should do
bhajana at your palace along with all
these ordinary pious activities. I will not accept you here."
Srila Narottama Thakurs began to weep and said, "The farmer was so
thirsty."
Srila Lokanatha Gosvami replied, "Perhaps you don't know that nama
and nami are the same. When you are
chanting harinama you should think, I am serving Sri Radha and
Sri Krsna. Hara is Srimati Radhika, who
controls the mind and heart of Krsna. From Hara comes Hare,
meaning O Hara, or O Srimati Radhika.
Rama is Radha-Ramana, Sri Krsna. So Hare Krsna is Radha-Krsna, and
while chanting we should serve Them,
remembering Their pastimes. Giving up the service of Radha and
Krsna you went to quench the thirst of an
ordinary person. You thought that giving that water was more
important than serving Them; so you should
return to worldly life and do anything there. I don't like this
behavior."
Although Srila Narottama cried and pleaded, Srila Lokanatha dasa
Gosvami did not allow him to stay in
Vrndavana. Do you understand his siddhanta ø his view? It is very
high, but it is actual, factual. Nama
cintamani krsna caitanya rasa vigraha / purna suddha nitya mukta
abhinnatvad nama naminoh. Nama and
Krsna Himself are the same. In another sense Krsna has manifested
all His power in His name, more so
than in His form. From the beginning of creation of this world
until the end, His name can deliver one
to Goloka Vrndavana, but He Himself cannot do this. He will not
deliver the nama-aparadhis, offenders to
His name, but His name will do something. In some cases,
therefore, krsna-nama is superior to Krsna
Himself, because He has invested all His powers therein. When we
chant Lord Krsna's name we should be
completely absorbed in that, remembering the pastimes of Krsna and
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, as well as
the mercy of Nityananda Prabhu. We should try to be absorbed like
Srila Rupa Gosvami, Srila Sanatana
Gosvami, and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. They were always
chanting and serving Radha and Krsna. They
often sat together chanting, and they were oblivious to the
passing of day into night and night into
day.
Srila Narottama dasa returned to his kingdom in East Bengal and
widely preached the glories of Radha and
Krsna and his Gurudeva. He established several temples, such as
Radha Madana-Mohana, Radha-Govindaji,
Radha-Gopinatha, Radha-Ramana, as well as those of Sri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu and Sri Nityananda Prabhu. He
began to preach through his kirtanas, and he became a very
well-known kirtaniya. He preached in Assam
and Manipur and in all the Eastern provinces. At that time no one
in these regions knew anything of
krsna-bhakti, and all were ignorant of dharma, but nowadays
hundreds of thousands of Vaisnavas are
there.
He invited all the Vaisnavas from Vraja Mandala, Navadvipa
Mandala, Ksetra Mandala and Gaura mandala, to
come there to Kheturi, and countless devotees came. He summoned
Nityananda Prabhus sakti, Srimati
Jahnava Devi to preside over that gathering. When he performed
kirtana of Radha-Krsna, Sri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu with all His associates used to appear there and began
to do kirtana, mixing their voices
with his. This was visible to all the devotees present, and tears
came in everyone's eyes. All were
amazed and wondered, "What are we seeing? Are we seeing a dream,
or are we seeing reality?" Then, when
the kirtana ended, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates at
once disappeared.
He discovered a new type of kirtana, and that kirtana is followed
by all Gaudiya Vaisnavas to date. We
Gaudiya Vaisnavas are known as Narottama-parivara, the family of
Srila Narottama dasa Thakura. He was a
very pure bhakta, empowered by the energy of Sri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu.
Once, accompanied by Syamananda Prabhu and Srinivasa Acarya, Srila
Narottama dasa Thakura was bringing
all the Gaudiya Vaisnava books to Bengal for preaching. On the
way, however, having heard that the three
devotees were carrying a valuable treasure, jewels, a dacoit king
looted all the books. These books were
jewels indeed, but not worldly jewels; they are spiritual jewels.
Srinivasa Acarya sent Narottama
Thakura and Syamananda Prabhu to Bengal, and he remained there
searching for the books. At last he came
to the king's palace, where the king begged apology, fell at his
lotus feet, and became his disciple.
The kings name was Vihambir, and he became a qualified disciple
and Vaisnava.
Narottama Thakura was kayastha, like a ksatriya, by caste, but in
actuality he was beyond caste and
creed; he was Lord Krsna's associate, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's
associate. It is an offence to
categorize any Vaisnava by caste or creed; we should not do this.
Vaisnavas have no caste and creed, as
the atma has no such designation in this world. Naham vipro na ca
nara pati na ca yatir va gopi bhartuh
pada kamalayor dasa dasanudasa. We are the servants of Srimati
Radhika ø servants of the servants of the
servants of the dust of Her lotus feet. This is our pure identity.
We are not brahmana, ksatriya,
vaisya, sudra, nor we are grhastha, brahmacari, vanaprastha or
sannyasi ø or anything of this world.
Our one and only pure identity is dasa of Lord Krsna, Krsna-dasa.
Narottama dasa Thakura was the
associate of Krsna, and He came to serve Caitanya Mahaprabhu by
bringing all the worldly people towards
Him.
This being so, many brahmana families became his disciples, and
that caused disturbance in other
brahmana sectors, among those who neither understood Vaisnava
principles nor the glory of Srila
Narottama dasa Thakura. They alleged that his initiating of
brahmanas was improper. He was the son of a
king, and for him to give diksa to brahmanas was considered by
some to be highly improper.
"We are brahmanas," they thought." He is giving initiation to
brahmanas, so he is bound to go to hell
and he will also suffer in this world. A brahmana is jagat-guru
and can initiate brahamanas and others;
but he, like a sudra, is giving initiation to brahamanas and all
other casts of devotees. This is wrong
and against sastra."
One day they challenged him to debate these points. On the day
before the appointed debate Sri
Ramacandra Puri and all Narottama Thakura's other very learned
disciples went to the local market-place
and, posing as shop-keepers, began to sell items of basic
necessity such as clay pots, betel nuts,
rice, wheat, and so on. When they came into the town, the opposing
party of brahmanas wore big, big
turbans. They were sastri, maha sastri, panca, sapta acarya, panca
acarya, pancami, and nyaya pancami.
They declared that tomorrow there would be a meeting to discuss
the argued matter, and Srila Narottama
dasa Thakura would come and be present in the meeting.
The brahmanas had come from different parts of India, and before
the meeting they went from shop to shop
to purchase various ingredients. Some were fond of betel nut. Some
wanted to do their cooking with their
own hands so they went for dry wood and other things. When any one
of them went to a shop, a very simple
Vaisnava was there. He asked, "What do you want? Who are you and
what caste are you from?" The person
answered, "My name is such and such." The shop keeper replied,
"It is not true," and a long discussion
ensued. When the person said, "I am brahmana, the shopkeeper
said, "That is the jati (cast) of this
physical body, matter; but we are atma; so you cannot be that
designation." The brahmanas were
invariably defeated in these discussions. Not only the
shopkeepers, but the other customers coming to
the shop also asked them, "Who are you?" When the inimical
brahmanas told their worldly designations
arguments ensued and all the brahmanas were defeated there. They
met in the night and conferred, "How
can we show our faces tomorrow? Everywhere in this village the
shopkeepers and others are so learned
that they defeated us. How can we enter the assembly of Srila
Narottama Thakura himself? They all fled
away from there during the night.
Srila Narottama Thakura resided by the Ganges. Before the meeting
he had become paralyzed ø he had made
himself like that. All his disciples had gone to him and prayed,
O Thakuraji, Gurudeva, if you die now,
giving up your body and going to Lord Krsna, all the brahmanas
will say it is because you are initiating
brahmanas, and this is why you are paralyzed and are suffering so
much. They will say you have gone to
hell. So we pray that you become completely cured, regaining your
health. Hearing this, Narottama
Thakura had become like a young man and began to run here and
there. He returned to his asrama, all
ill-health and paralysis having completely disappeared. This was
observed by those who were saying that
he was to go to hell for initiating brahmanas. Then, after the
meeting, some of those brahmanas became
paralyzed, some became blind, some were bitten by snakes, etc.
Eventually they became so worried that
they came to his lotus feet and apologized. He excused them, and
again he became paralyzed and went to
the bank of Ganges. He entered in the realm of Sri Goloka
Vrndavana Dhama, and Sri Navadvipa Dhama,
Svetadvipa.
Narottama Thakura wrote so many songs, such as 'Gauranga bolite
ha'be pulaka-sarira', 'Radha-krsna prana
mor yugala kisora', and 'Je anilo prema-dhana koruna pracura' ø
all good songs. He was unparalleled. In
the entire Gaudiya Vaisnava parampara he was the most prolific
singer of Gaudiya Vaisnava padyavali, and
after him only Saptam Gosvami, (the Seventh Gosvami), Srila
Bhaktivinoda Thakura was like this. Both
were associates of Sri Krsna and Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
So we beg at his lotus feet that today he will be merciful to us
and bestow his mercy upon us. We are so
unqualified, unworthy and insignificant, but by his mercy we can
chant purely, come in the line of Sri
Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates in guru-parampara, and thus
become qualified. We should pray like
this today. We pray that the songs he has written should be
manifest in our heart, and we can realize
and practice all these things truly.
Editorial advisors: Sripad Bhaktivedanta Madhava Maharaja and
Sripad Brajanatha dasa
Transcribers: Kanta dasi and Bhadra dasi
Editors: Bhadra dasi, Kalindi dasi and Syamarani dasi
Typists: Vasanti dasi and Kalindi dasi