Originally, at the time of Mahaprabhu, there were five pancikas, but Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, and my Gurudeva later introduced seven: Panca-tattva-pancika and Upasya-pancika, aradhana of the supreme worshipable Deities. Upasya-pancika includes Gadadhara, Mahaprabhu, Krsna, Radhika, and Guru...

So Indra and Virocana were both disciples of Brahma. Virocana thought, "I am a disciple of Brahma," and Indra also thought that way. But who is really the disciple? He who practices, he who wants to know the real mood and teachings, the internal mood and teachings of his Gurudeva-he is actually the disciple...

You should know one thing. ISKCON was first established by catur-mukha (four-headed) Brahma. He is our first guru. He is the original founder-acarya of ISKCON, and his disciples like Sanaka, Sanandana, Sanatana, Sanat-kumara, and Narada are real ISKCON preachers. After them, especially in Kali-yuga, Madhvacarya, Ramanuja, Visnuswami, Nimbaditya, and so many others appeared...